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Social Media tips for creative entrepreneurs by Marina Barayeva

  • Why do you think it’s so difficult for creative people to get out there and market themselves? Answer: Because you love your work. You love what you do. And we tend to believe that if we love doing something, that probably we are not supposed to get paid for that.
  • You need to understand your audience and know how to answer the questions they ask, what they struggle with, or what they want, or what they desire? Then you’d look for the ways to help them without any expectations in return.
  • Not everyone [you meet networking or on social media] is going to be your client. But they are your audience. They are your word of mouth marketing. They will [talk] about you.

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Doug: Well, welcome back, listeners, to another episode of Real Marketing, Real Fast. Today I’ve got a real special treat for you. I’ve got somebody joining me in the studio that I met online through another podcasting service, Podcaster’s Paradise, which is John Lee Dumas and his wife, Kate. And Marina and I connected there, and so here was are. She’s interviewed me on her podcast, and I just want to properly introduce her to our show. So a welcome to Marina Barayeva.

Marina B: Yes, you made it.

Doug: Is that correct? Okay, there we go. Okay, thank you. She’s an international portrait photographer. She is based in Beijing, China. She is also the host of Marketing For Creative show, where she talks to the experts about how to market a creative business so that they can work and they can love what they’re doing and be a successful entrepreneur. Marina likes to be involved in various creative projects. She has organized and hosted an online conference, Lady Photographer in Russia, a charity fashion show, New Year Queen in the USA, and as part of the [inaudible 00:01:10] … I screwed that up. So how would I say that?

Marina B: [foreign language 00:01:13].

Doug: [foreign language 00:01:14] art project, thank you, in Beijing Design. She’s been featured in various media outlets such as Art People, HubSpot, China Radio, as well as other international media. Her mission is to inspire people to do what they love and help them to grow as a business. So I would like to welcome you to the podcast today.

Marina B: Hey, Doug. It’s a pleasure to hear you and to serve your audience today.

Doug: Well, thanks so much. So we did a little bit of talking before we got on the air. I’m not going to say anything that would embarrass you, but I do know that by looking at my stats, that we have listeners from all over the world. So you did share with me that you spoke three and a half languages. So would you like to say hello and welcome in one of the other two languages that you speak fluently to our potential listeners.

Marina B: Well, this I can say even in four languages. So-

Doug: Okay, well then go ahead.

Marina B: Hi everyone. [foreign language 00:02:09]. [foreign language 00:02:10]. And [foreign language 00:02:13]. There’s going to be four.

Doug: Okay. So we connected, like I said, on Podcaster’s Paradise. And you work with creative, so I’ve really liked following you on social media. So why don’t you just give us a little bit of background on how you started your business and kind of what your focus is, and how you help your clients.

Marina B.: Sure. That’s quite a long story. So I was born in Russia, and I’d lived in China already for seven years. When I was in Russia, I was doing web design and when I moved here, in my teenage years, I like to do modeling and I like to do some photography. So then I switched to more modeling career, more photography, and then transitioned to photography completely. That time, I had my only photography school, which I closed to while I was traveling all over the world. And then I started my podcast last year, where I talk to different marketing and business people, entrepreneurs, about how creative people can market their business. Because I’m a creative person, I’m a photographer. I’m a part of this audience, and I know how hard to people to grow this business.

Doug: So why do you think it’s so difficult for creative people to get out there and market themselves?

Marina B.: Because you love your work. You love what you do. And we tend to believe that if we love doing something, that probably we will not supposed to get paid for that. And when you try to sell your work, a lot of people look for the approval of their work, that someone will say, “Wow. Those are beautiful pictures,” or, “This is the beautiful painting. Beautiful music.” And when someone says, “That’s not really good,” people feel rejected. And then they start not believing in themselves, it’s harder to sell, it’s harder to come to you and say, “Ah, can you buy my photos?” They try that, but it doesn’t really work in the end. So I try to bring them different tactics, how they can sell, but not being too pushy in what they do. They still want to do the art, and at the same time, they will market their business. They will even enjoy marketing because it’s a lot of fun. People do not believe in that.

Doug: Well, I believe in that. I like marketing. I’m going, “How come people don’t like this?” But I think probably a lot of entrepreneurs suffer from the same thing. If they ask somebody to engage them, hire them, buy their product, buy their service or their course, and the answer’s no, they feel rejected. And like you said, the reality is you just need to get a different format and approach it differently, and that’s just part of being in business.

Marina B.:  Mm-hmm (affirmative), exactly.

Doug: So do you want to share just a little bit with our audience? I know, as I said, we connected through podcasting, so you decide to start podcasting as a strategy to help you grow your business and your audience and to reach out and to help your clients. So share with us how that’s going.

Marina B.:  Well, I have two main focuses. Two audiences. So I shoot fashion-style portraits for women, and I shoot corporate portraits or business portraits. Personal Branding. Those people are professional executives or other creatives. I shoot model portfolios or acting portfolios. And those people are more into business and marketing. And I was thinking, “How can I reach this audience?” And for you it’s easier, you talk about the beauty style. But I’m also passionate about business and marketing. And so that I can help those people to market their selves, to grow their personal brand. And I don’t need to sell them right away, ’cause I believe in content marketing and helping people, serving people. And when people trust you, they come to you and they use your service.

Doug: Well, I agree. And I think that lots of people are looking for the shortcut, and they go right for the sale without the service or even an introduction. I’m surprised at how many people in various platforms just ignore the relationship and they immediately say, “Here, buy this.” I responded to somebody on LinkedIn who has been messaging me, trying to help me stop losing clients for my law firm, and I finally sent them a note. I sent them, “I’m happy to speak to you, but if you look at my bio, you can clearly see that I’m not a law firm. So you might want to engage with people before you try to sell them your service.”

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Marina B.: Exactly. And it’s so funny, it’s happened online, it happens offline. There was one time when I was in Miami do a networking event, and I met a couple. And we introduced each other. I’m like, “I’m a photographer. I live in Beijing, China.” And they were like, “We’re in real estate. Do you have a property here? Would you like to buy something?” I’m like, “I just met you.”

Doug: Yep.

Marina B.:  I just got to Miami, can I have my relaxing vacation? ‘Cause I guess they think if I’m Russian, a lot of Russians like to buy property in Miami. They try to offer me their service right away.

Doug: Wow. Well, yeah that might’ve been, like you said, jumping the gun just a little bit before you get that relationship.

Marina B.: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Doug: Well, it’s interesting that we chatted a little bit offline. You said that Miami’s also one of your favorite cities, which I find interesting because they’re two totally different cultures.

Marina B.: Yeah. Well in Beijing, it’s a big city. And the industry is a lot of international people. What I don’t really like here, it’s pollution. Because it’s so horrible here, especially at [inaudible 00:07:47] a time when let’s say the regular level of pollution, it’s above 25, by the numbers. When it gets too polluted here, and they have the red alert, here. It’s going to be about 600. And you cannot see the building across the street, because everything is in fog. So try to leave it at winter time.

Doug: That’s a good plan. Lots of people like to go someplace warm in the wintertime. So do you want to share with us, what have you found in one of your best marketing tactics? So you did mention that you believe in giving first, serving people, and the content marketing. And I would further endorse what you’re saying, because having connected with you months and months and months ago, and being connected with you on social, you produce a lot of really good quality content. So what other advice would you give creatives and other people that are looking to get into the marketing and roll their sleeves up and not be afraid?

Marina B.: Well, the first thing is, you need to understand your audience. It’s good if you’re a part of the audience and you know how they … The questions they ask, what they struggle with, or what they want, or what they desire. And then you’d look for the ways to help them without any expectations in return. What often happen, people try to connect to someone or do something, then they expect, “Okay, then they’ll buy my service right now,” or, “Maybe they will do something for me.” That doesn’t really work. Maybe they will do, but you put the application on the person. Instead of that, I try to help people as I can.

Because through my travels, there is one thing which I learn for the rest of my life. Today, you will help someone. Tomorrow, someone will help you. And the first thing, it doesn’t mean that it’s going to be the same person. The second thing, even if you help the person, it doesn’t mean that the person’s going to be your client, but this person has a network. So when the moment will come when someone will ask about a photographer, they will think about me. Because we build the connection with them. You buy something from the person who you trust. You will buy from your friends or those who recommend you, someone. You will not buy from the stranger on the street. Right?

So even in the content marketing, what I often see people just schedule a lot of posts, just to fill social media network, but it is part of the work. Try to come up with things with content, maybe even write on the social media or on your blog about those things, how you can help your audience, how you can help those people. Sometimes it’s not even completely on topic. If I talk about business and marketing most of the time, sometimes I can write something like, I’m struggling with some business stuff or personal stuff, or I just get tired. Or I listen to the TED talk about how to remember more things, how to have better memory, and I will share it with people. It’s not about marketing, but it’s still helpful. And people like it.

And what’s interesting about social media, and it happens many times. It happens on Instagram, it happens on my Chinese social media, you start posting things and you feel like it does not get any engagement. People, sometimes they’ll like, sometimes they don’t. They don’t try to comment, especially in the beginning when I started. But when you’re consistent in what you do, people see that. And then in China, a lot of people who I know, for example in Beijing, they just come to me and say, “Wow. This message was on time.” I had a guy who came to me, a friend of mine, but we sometimes meet on the events, and he came to me and he said, “You know what? About a month ago, I just broke up with my girl. And you wrote something. I’m sure it wasn’t about business and marketing.”

Marina B.: “And it was just for me. Thank you.”

Doug: That’s cool. Yeah, I’ve had a bunch of those types of conversations on social media, where I’ll post and I’ll share something. When I was going through kind of a transformation, a health and wellness transformation, I had several people reach out privately and sent private messages to share how they were struggling and how the stuff that I was sharing was encouraging to them. And so you’re right. There was no ask. There was no, “Hey, look at me. Buy my stuff.” It was, “Hey, this is what I’m struggling with. This is what’s working for me.” And then someone private messages you and says, “You know, I’m in that same spot. I really appreciate you sharing that. Thank you.”

Marina B.: Yeah. So I think serving and helping people is very meaningful. And it happens everywhere. It’s not only business. Even if you help people in their … Even more, it’s not necessary you need to help people in their business or work, but just to be a person. Be yourself. Help them as that person.

Doug: I think that’s what we forget about in social. It’s funny that you … What you mentioned is that you help people, and then without the expectation that they will help you back, but if you help people, at some point, people will help you. And it’s not the same person. I just saw somebody posting a similar post to that on social, where they said, “Oh, I help people all the time and I expect that they help me back and they don’t help me back. I’m just giving, giving, giving.” But I think to lead to your point, is that you’re not giving to expect that you’re going to get help back, but people are people. And so whether you’re helping somebody personally, or you’re helping them in business, or it’s your kids on the soccer field and you’re helping one of the kids or their parents, they all have networks. They all have jobs. They all know people, and you become top of mind of somebody who made an effort to help them without your hand out.

Marina B.: You need to keep a balance between helping and asking. Still, if you just help, help, help everyone, without a little ask, you can get just drawn out. What I mean by ask, sometimes it can be if you have a good relationship, you can ask if there’s someone interested in your service. This is a more direct way. Or sometimes, you may look for something like … The interviews, let’s say. “Do you know any media who I can view or the podcasts where I can appear as a guest?” Right? They can help you in this way. So it’s not about exactly, “I’ll help you, you have to come and buy my service or buy my product.” But you can ask, even on social media, about the feedback they have. Because even on social media, or your email list, all of these online people, not everyone is going to be your client. But they are your audience. They are your word of mouth marketing. They will tell about you. Or, you can … On social media, on Instagram, there’s a commenting when you can tag a person, who [inaudible 00:14:54] with them. Right?

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Doug: Yep.

Marina B.: And this is your ask. And this is how you grow your audience.

Doug: Yep. That’s, I mean, I think you’ve done a great job on social. And I like I said, that’s how we’ve connected. And I’ve connected with a ton of people. So even in the space, on Twitter, actually, I’ve found, has been the busiest place for me. How ’bout you? What platform have you found that you’ve got the most engagement from?

Marina B.: Instagram.

Doug: Instagram.

Marina B.: I’m a creative person. Yeah, Instagram. And even … It’s interesting. I talk to people there, and I know some people who I’ve never met in person. But sometimes we send messages to each other like, “Is everything okay?” Because you see those people all the time if they post consistently. Someone get married. Someone got divorced. Someone lost their parents. Someone just got a new job. And you feel happy for these people. Right? And sometimes we talk in the comments, “So, how’s the business going?” And, “How is social media going?” And there’s one girl who posted like, “I hate blogging.” Like, “I don’t want to write. I’ll so much love Instagram, but I don’t want to have any blogs or anything.”

I’m like, “Do you hate blogging? Or maybe there’s something different,” because sometimes she writes big posts on Instagram, and I ask her, “Maybe you like Instagram more because you have an engagement and communication here with people.” And she replied to me, “Wow. Yes. I like writing. And I like the communications here. I like the engagement. This community. But I don’t like blogging, because you just post there. And usually, you don’t have any reaction.”

Doug: There you go. I mean, so that’s a really good tip. So the tip is find something that fits your personality, your style, and your talent. So it might be Instagram, it might be Twitter, it might be blogging, it might be podcasting. Don’t do all of them, but find what fits, supports your brand, and helps you get your authentic message across.

Marina B.: Mm-hmm (affirmative). And I like to use social media networks for different purposes. I live in Beijing, and they use different social media networks. Right? So when I use foreign social media networks like Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, Instagram I use them for building the community. Twitter, to connect with people more because of the more business and marketing people there. LinkedIn, it is a professional network. A lot of people just ignore it, but this is … Well, one of the first places where I would look for someone’s email or for connections.

Doug: Yeah, absolutely.

Marina B.: And, yeah. And Facebook is good for different groups. We are in the Podcaster’s Paradise group, and it’s an amazing community. You just need to find your right place.

Doug: Yeah, you’re right. And I think the thing … And speaking of communities, not every community’s right for you, but you need to make sure the community’s active. And the one thing I noticed about Podcaster’s Paradise, was the community’s active, they have zero tolerance for people that are spamming or trying to post a message. And it’s all about supporting people. So I see people post questions and challenges and problems and post wins. And yeah, they’ve done a great job building and nurturing a community that supports each other.

Marina B.: This is exactly about helping and serving other people. I was surprised when I got there, that so many people without knowing me, ready to help. ‘Cause I got used to helping, but as your friends say, when you help, help, help not many people help you back. Some people do, some people not. But when you get to the right community, you feel so much support there. And I’m like, “My podcast just … ” To create a podcast, I spent much, much less time if I would do it by myself. So when I have questions come to my mind, I post there. And I almost … I get replies on almost everything.

Doug: Well, and not only do they reply, but as you said, so there’s a serving element, so it kinda further supports what you were saying. There’s a serving element of they’re there to serve. But on Friday, there’s a marketing opportunity for all the members to support each other where there is an ask. So it’s not just always service, there is the ask. And there’s a different way for people to connect there, as well.

Marina B.: They keep the balance.

Doug: Yeah, yep. Yeah, your Instagram page is really nice. I don’t get the type of business connections on my Instagram page. That may just be because of obviously the content that I post. I find I get lots of inquiries from LinkedIn and lots of connections and conversation on Twitter. So again, we both offer marketing help to people, and we’re using different networks, but it’s working. Each of us is finding success in the networks that we’ve chosen.

Marina B.: You need to pick something which you really like. I like Instagram, and I do write long posts over there. And one of my friends told me another day, “Oh, so you’re the person who write those long posts that nobody reads them?” I’m like, “You didn’t read it because you are not my audience.” And I’m okay with that. I don’t write for you, I write for those people who need that. And those who need it, they will read that.

Doug: Yeah. No, I like that. That’s right. You can’t serve everybody. And it’s really about finding who your audience is and where they hang out and then communicating with ’em there.

Marina B.: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Doug: So what are you most excited about in the next six months. What do you see coming in the marketing field, in your space, in your business? What are you most excited about?

Marina B.: Well, the podcast is growing. And it’s so interesting, because before I wrote more about business and marketing on foreign social media or foreign platforms, and I wasn’t really active on my Beijing community, or Chinese community. But these days, I get together more with the local podcasters, local media and it just … It tends that I appear on more and more magazines or radios or next month, I’m going to speak at the international conference here. And I wouldn’t be able to do this without the podcast.

Doug: That’s really cool.

Marina B.: And basically what I do, I’m helping people. I’m learning. I’m so grateful for every person who was in my podcast because those are not only the information from my audience, but also for me. I learn a lot from them during this half of the year when I host it. They kind of guide me in my journey.

Doug: Yeah, and it’s interesting of how wide the podcasts … How wide of an audience they reach. Obviously, most of my connections are in North America, but when I start looking outside North America and I start looking at where, around Europe are people finding me, so I see a large number of people in Japan, and the Asia-Pacific region and Russia. So it really is a media platform that reaches people in just about every country in the world.

Marina B.: Mm-hmm (affirmative). And it’s so helpful to growing your personal brand. It’s so easy to get connected to almost everyone. I have a lot of connections, now, in North America, Australia, Europe. And when I talk to people here, they’re like, “Wow.” I can find almost, I don’t know, anyone in Asia if I would want to interview the person because it’s easy. I can come to you and say, “I have a podcast. Can I interview you?” Or I can just share some of the topics which we talk about on the podcast with a person, and it’s very interesting. So my next kind of six-month goal is to just focus more on personal branding and marketing.

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Doug: So I’m going to ask you a question that I haven’t asked you before. And that is, what was your business model when you decided to podcast? So you made a decision at some point, “I’m going to invest in my business, so I’m going to join this community and I’m going to be set up a podcast.” So what was your original business model?

Marina B.: I was looking for the ways, how can I build community with my people, with the audience, and combine my Chinese audience and my foreign audience together. Because what I post in foreign media, people do not really read here. So now I get connected to these two sides. And in the beginning, well, one of the ideas was like, “Wow, I look at John D. and Entrepreneurs on Fire, he posts everything. Maybe I can do this. And he makes so much money.” And that would be fine.

Doug: Yeah.

Marina B.: To get some extra income. But it doesn’t work. It’s so much work over there. So I wouldn’t be able to make it every day. But anyway, I was looking for the form of content which will be comfortable for me and very useful and practical for my people. And I may have my knowledge, but there are so many people like you, Doug, who has the experience and I can bring it to people, too. You know different things than I know, and this is how I can serve my audience better.

Doug: Well, has your vision changed at all since you very first started? I had a pretty clear idea of why I wanted to start a podcast and what my business model was. And it hasn’t really changed. It’s just kind of evolved.

Marina B.: There were some changes. I don’t post it every day. I even didn’t start in the beginning.

Doug: Yep.

Marina B.: But it helps me. Well, the content is good. So I was thinking how can I create the content not only for the blog but also for social media. So if I have the episode, I just repurpose content everywhere. And then I didn’t expect that it will open up so many opportunities with other media, here. It’s a way to grow your expert status. But I thought I look at it more as helping my people and see how it work.

Should I focus more on business people and maybe just to switch only to one audience instead of doing fashion style and personal branding? Maybe should focus on personal branding. But now, it seems like it goes even to the … How do I say? To kind of separate … Another model, another business model. Podcast itself, it’s just … Even if I leave my photography one day, I can grow my podcast.

Doug: Yep.

Marina B.: Because before they were meshed together very, very tight. ‘Cause my purpose was to serve my audience. But now I feel like I can actually move from Beijing somewhere and I can keep doing that. Because if I’ll move with my photography, if I’ll go to Miami, I’ll need to start all over. If I go to Canada, nobody knows me, yet. Right?

Doug: Well, I-

Marina B.: But if I go there with my podcast-

Doug: I know you, so you know one person.

Marina B.: Mm-hmm (affirmative), mm-hmm (affirmative).

Doug: That’s really interesting. I started and my goal really was to get access to other really smart people. And really just for the express desire to start building relationships. Because like you said, you know a bunch of stuff that I don’t know, and you have contacts that I don’t know, and you have different gifts and talents. And if I can bring those to my audience, my audience benefits and then if, through that process, we start to build a relationship and develop a relationship, and I found lots of friendships have come out of my podcasting episodes and various podcasting events that we’ve been involved in. So it’s a different form if you want to use it, of networking or building relationships that are a lot deeper than just, I’m liking somebody’s Facebook post.

Marina B.: It’s like for me, I have a mentor on different topics. The personal mentor, you have half an hour with a person who usually gets paid, $10,000, $20,000 for their keynote speech. There was one guy whose website I looked at several times, $20,000 or $25,000. Is he going to be on my podcast? It’s so expensive. I cannot pay him.

Doug:    Yeah.

Marina B.: But I want to get him on my podcast. And I sent him an email, and he said, “Yes! Of course!”

Doug: Yeah.

Marina B.: “I’ll be glad to give you an interview.” I’m like, “Wow.” And that’s so awesome.

Doug: Well, that’s the other thing too, is, you’re right. So it positions you to listeners. I mean, you’re listening to a podcast, so obviously you enjoy podcasts. It really positions you as the media. So I mean yes, it helps you with your business, positions you as the expert, but it positions you as the media so you can do exactly what Marina said, where you can reach out and access people that you might not have been able to access before, because they may be suspicious or have gatekeepers on, “Why’s this person contacting me?” Opposed to, “Hey, I’m reaching out because I think you’d be an awesome guest on my podcast. I love what you do.” Fill in the blanks what they do. And you’re right. People say yes.

Marina B.: Yeah. I reach out to many of my favorite book authors. I feel like the hippest person on this podcast.

Doug: That’s really cool. So who’s one guest that you think I absolutely have to have on my podcast?

Marina B.: Hmm. One of the last guests who I have was Phil M. Jones. It’s very interesting, he talked about how to sell and he had several books. He has exactly how to sell and exactly what to say. And I ask him, “How do you know what people should say if you don’t know the situation?” And he said like, “Well, the situations are quite similar.” And then we talk about the selling process, and that’s what … It was interesting. We even talk, half of the episode about how to answer how much question. What, usually, people answer, they answer with a price. Especially if they have packages.

Doug: Yep.

Marina B.: If they know the price. He says, “You better ask the question.” I’m like, “But they ask you how much.” And he says like, “No, you ask the question, even if you know your price. You start asking what are they looking for. How did they hear about you? What they like about you.” And in one of his book, he mentions that patient make decisions twice. First, in their mind and then the real decision. So first, when you ask the questions, you kind of picture the image of either a service, what they like about you, how they feel, what they need. And then lead them towards the direction to either buy or maybe they will not need your service. You still need to know, because sometimes, there are people who come to you, and they are not your client. Maybe if they need a different service or they cannot afford you. So you need to spend your time in person who comes with $100, but you going to do a photo shoot for $2,000. It’s just too different. So you need to find out this right away.

Marina B.: And he helps to … He gives some ideas about how you can ask better questions and how you can lead the conversations.

Doug: Well, I will look up Mr. Jones and see if … Because I haven’t had many sales guys that are doing direct sales on my podcast. Had lots of marketing guys and had one of your friends, Jeffrey Shaw, who I met with in San Diego and he’s a Miami photographer, so obviously you know that because you’ve talked to him, so-

Marina B.: Yeah. That’s so funny. I live on 27th street, and he is a little bit down in Miami Beach. I’m like, “Why I did not see you before?”

Doug: Yeah.

Marina B.: “We met on the podcast, but not when I was in Miami.”

Doug: That’s, yeah. That’s funny. So where’s the best place for people to find you? So obviously Instagram. So share with our audience where they can track you down, find you online. Yeah.

Marina B.: So my Instagram and all my social media are Marina Barayeva. It’s M-A-R-I-N-A B-A-R-A-Y-E-V-A. Because usually when I say my last name, not everyone can pronounce it or spell it.

Doug: Yes.

Marina B.: And my website is intnetworkplus.com, so people can listen to the episodes with the previous guests. It’s I-N-T networkplus.com and so feel free to reach me anytime.

Doug: Well, excellent. I will make sure that we get all of that information transcribed on our show notes. And like we talked about before with your contact who didn’t like blogging, the advantage of podcasts is we transcribe this. So this will be probably 6,000 or 7,000 words of content, which is good for SEO and it’s a blog post that I didn’t have to write. And so I didn’t need to worry about my spelling or my grammar, but I just want to say thank you very much, Marina, for taking time out of your early morning to join us and to share with our audience.

Marina B.: Thank you, Doug, for having me here. And it was a pleasure to serve your audience today.

Doug: Well, excellent. There we go, listeners. This is another episode of Real Marketing, Real Fast. Trying to bring you leading experts in various areas, looking for your feedback and direction on how we can serve you better at our next episode. So tune in, send us a note, subscribe to us on iTunes, and if you like what you’re hearing, don’t be shy, and feel free to leave us a review! So thanks again, and we look forward to serving you on our next episode.

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